Dr. Dayan Goodenowe on Saskatchewan’s Bill 55

Thank you, Jason. You, Sean. Hey, So just I'll introduce just briefly Dr. Dayan Goodenowe or this good no or good now. Goodenowe. Sorry about that. For whatever reason, because there's an e on the end, I wanna I don't wanna just say good now. So but, Dayan, you are a PhD neuroscientist. You're a synthetic organic chemist. You're an inventor. You're an industrialist. You're an entrepreneur. You're philanthropist. You're a health care innovator. You are the best selling author of Breaking Alzheimer's. And you've been, I'm sorry. The book is Breaking Alzheimer's, a fifteen year crusade of finding the cause and delivering the cure. You've, you're involved in a whole bunch of things, and the government's trying to create some mischief for you in Saskatchewan. So Can you tell us what's going on in Saskatchewan and tell us about Bill fifty five? Sure, well thank you Sean. Your introduction, when you're talking about your clients and patients with Crohn's disease, it fits into what we're talking about. We're really about restoring health and these natural health products, which are human biochemical intermediates, are being regulated in a drug way versus an actual health way. What we're really talking about is personalized health rights and freedoms. Where does your right to your body exist and your ability to actually restore your health? Where does that line draw between the government having complete control over your body and your health decisions? What you're talking about is exactly what we've been dealing with. In fact, the last chapter of my book deals with exactly that concept, about the citizenship, of how citizenship can actually start taking control and empowering themselves with their own health. In order for that to happen, people have to have access to their health information. My basic premise is, if you can go to Walmart and buy a bathroom scale and step on it and say, hey I weigh two hundred pounds, that's collecting information on yourself. Now if you're four feet tall, you're probably overweight. If you're six foot four, you're probably skinny. But two hundred pounds is still two hundred pounds and your ability to collect that information should not be infringed upon. And that goes the same thing for what's in your blood, you should have a right to know what's in your blood, you should have the right to know what's inside your body from an MRI image You shouldn't have to go through five hundred different hoops to get that done because that is your body, your right. And then you should have the right to the information from academia, from peer reviewed research, from your own peer networks where people share their own information and actually perform that type of activities on yourself. This is the restorative health model that we've created. The Moose Jaw Vitality project, which I launched in twenty twenty five, a hundred million dollar initiative to look at how we restore health in individuals at the community level. This is where the trap comes in, they trap you in this diagnostic treatment space. As you're talking about Crohn's disease, you're talking about the treatment of Crohn's. We're not really interested in treating Crohn's, we're interested in restoring the health of the colon. The colon has a health, it has a job to do. There's the original manufacturing specifications of how certain body parts are supposed to function and if they function as they're intended to function, you don't have disease. So this Bill fifty five is really trying to, it's a culmination of a whole year of harassment. We're not talking about just Bill fifty five. When I launched the one hundred million dollars Moose Jaw Vitality Project, which we provide one hundred percent free of charge services to the city of Moose Jaw, is my hometown. Six generations of my family are in Moose Jaw. This idea that we understand that health is broken, that the concept of how we treat disease, how we have a lack of preventative care, a lack of community care, I think everyone can agree that's true. The question is, we are in a power struggle over who has the right to implement programs for that. So I created the Moosevelt Vitality Project in Saskatchewan, which is an expansion of our perpetual health program here in the United States. Then it just became clear that this became recognized as a very existential threat to the power structure of the College of Physicians and Surgeons, which basically has an anomaly. Can I interrupt you for a sec? Absolutely. This Moose Jaw Center, what do they do? Like just so people understand what you're doing and then we'll carry on with kind of why that's threatening to the government. But just tell the audience what you do because I think it would shock people. You were telling us about just wait, people have the right information and that's what you're doing there. Can you share with what's going on in the Moose Jaw? What we call it is a self directed research program. Individuals perform a research protocol on themselves. They are the director of their own research, which we all do every day of our lives. When you choose what meals to eat, what you choose, what exercise you do, what you choose to do in your body, you're fundamentally performing research on yourself. We're taking that to one more level where we can say, Okay, can we help assist you in your research in optimizing your health? We'll help you get a blood sample, we'll help you get imaging of your body, we'll provide you with education and information on that process and then provide you with enough information that you can then make personal decisions on what things you want to do and then we can monitor how those things affect your health. So for example, from a blood test perspective, you might have oxidative stress markers in your blood. And if you take natural health supplements or biochemical intermediates or supplements that restore your glutathione levels and your health, you basically are now in control of restoring your health. And if we teach people that, they start having incredible improvements. So we have people with ALS and Alzheimer's and multiple sclerosis, cancer patients that come through our centre, but they need a place where they can have an area where they can actually focus on themselves in supportive environment. They get isolated, people typically spend a three month program in our facility, and then from there, we work with them to get better. It's kind of a rehab saying we have you for a short period of time and then we want to send you home. But the problem is, by the time you have dementia or you have Parkinson's disease, that's been going on for several years. It's not a fix, it's not about curing Parkinson's, it's about restoring the health of the individual and creating a pattern of behaviour that that person can then sustain later on. For example, people from Australia or around the world will come to Moose Jaw, which they love the city, they just fall in love with the city of Moose Jaw and the people in it because we are a traditional Western Canadian town with hockey and rodeos and things to do during the summertime, so it's actually a fun place to be. It's not a medical facility with white walls and lab coats, it's basically a health resort. And when they're there they can use the cool technology that we have, like we have a hypobaric chamber, we'll have technology to measure bone density and muscle densities and so on and so forth. They could access these tools, they could access information and then they had the ability to apply that in their health model going forward. The point is that it was empowering this individual so they're not going to the doctor and say, Hey doctor, what should I do? We're teaching them what they can do themselves and the empowerment that they have in their own health is quite remarkable. We have many, many people who have improved health and reduced symptomology and restored movement in ALS for example. Our results in people with cognitive impairment are quite dramatic. People going back to work, or work in autism, we have a big program in autism around the world. And so I think that part, the success rates that we're seeing are undeniable. And I think that's where we became threatening. In the sense that it's one thing for people to be scattered around the world and that's what Moose Jaw is about, it's about creating this Truman Show fishbowl approach. There's about five thousand doctors that use my products and services in the United States and around the world. So we have a very large network of advanced practitioners all across the world, but they're scattered. There'll be people in LA, New York, Dallas, Houston. Each of these advanced practitioners are seeing dramatic results in their client base, But they're diluted across the world. So what Moose Jaw is designed to do is say, look, we need to find out how to perform community medicine. Unfortunately, that is taking the monopoly of health out of the system. Once that happened, this Bill fifty five, which expands the power of the Medical Professions Act, is only the last step of an entire year of harassment. We've had Health Canada come to our facility. I'm just to step in. Want to hear about that harassment but I just want people to understand what we're talking about. Basically, we're talking about the province of Saskatchewan and they have an act called the Medical Professions Act. But every province has the same legislation. So you may have heard me say on this show on an earlier occasion or or other places that after the first World War, there was a concerted effort to basically make every practice except allopathic medicine illegal. And allopathic medicine is just it's a healing philosophy where, you know, just to summarize, whatever you do, don't cure the person. So if something comes to you suffering, don't solve the underlying problem. This is actually the philosophy, allopathic medical philosophy. Don't solve the problem, rather alleviate suffering by addressing the symptoms, which is why we use chemical drugs and surgery to alleviate symptoms by and large, but not actually addressing the problem. Well, we create this medical monopoly where it's illegal for other healing traditions. Saskatchewan, like every other province, has an act that basically defines the practice of medicine as everything diagnosing, treating, recommending, whatever, whether you're charging money or not. It's illegal for anyone but a medical doctor to practice. Now, some provinces, including Saskatchewan, they have exemptions carved out for naturopathic doctors, some for traditional Chinese practitioners. And so there'll be a little narrow exceptions where these people have a bit of a scope of practice. The province, some provinces don't have any exceptions. So province of Quebec, your medical doctor or you can't do anything. And we've spoken about Doctor. Annie Janeau, a naturopathic doctor who is awaiting sentencing. So Saskatchewan had this act, but, doctor Goodnow, they're making it worse and they're making it worse with actually you as a target. So do you want to kind of explain the harassment that you were having? And now they're bringing in this amendment to this act, and you believe it's actually targeted at you and your Moose Jaw clinic? Correct. What is frustrating to the government is that I'm not asking for any money. I cost the government of Saskatchewan zero dollars We spend roughly half a million dollars a month in our city. And we ask for no money from the government. So the problem is we're not billing the government. So if you don't bill the government, you don't fall in the system. And we've been very careful to be in a completely non regulated space. So they're trying to figure out if we're not charging any money, so we're not charging our customers any dollars and we're not asking the government for any money. They're having a hard time saying well how do we regulate these people because we want to control them. And we've done this in such a way that they don't really have any control. We're essentially a resort, we're like a golf club. You can come to the golf course, you can use our golf course and use our clubs and it's all self directed research. And this has frustrated them. So we've had this facility for several, several years but ever since this June of last year event happened, we've had occupation health and safety come through our facilities, we've had the fire inspectors twice, we've had health inspectors come through our facility, we've had Health Canada come to our facility, all because of the great big complaints and none of them have shown any problems. In fact, it shows how well we run our facility. We passed all these inspections all the time and to be clear, we have not been accused or even no one has actually claimed that we are practicing medicine. We have no active accusations. They even went so far as to send letters to the police department for one of our clients who tragically died after they left our facility in the United States, which is completely trumped up, which is going to be part of a lawsuit I have against the CBC and the NDP party in Saskatchewan for defamation. These things have come through, they try to say you're a personal care's home because people come and stay to your facility and they give you this weird language, well the Personal Care Homes Act states activities of daily living in a non inclusive way, basically saying if you are a bellman and you take someone's bags up to their room, you're technically doing activities of daily living. And that didn't work for them. So now the last leg of their attempt to try to find some place to regulate us is this Medical Professions Act. Now the College of Physicians and Surgeons is a professional organization designed to regulate doctors. If you are a doctor with a medical license and you want to practice medicine in Saskatchewan, you have to become a member of the College of Physicians and Surgeons, which is a very legitimate process. If I'm a lawyer and I want to practice law, I've got to be part of the Law Society of Saskatchewan. And then that organisation will regulate you because you've agreed to be part of that organisation. So if I'm going to be a medical doctor licensed by the College of Physicians and Surgeons, then I've to follow the rules of that College and then if anything I do wrong, they can pull my licence. Well, I am not a medical doctor, we do not provide medical services, so I am not a member of the College of Physicians and Surgeons. So they can't regulate me because I'm actually not a member of their club. And so what Bill fifty five does is, well, this won't work, so what we're going to do, because they have defined the practice of medicine to include everything. Like if you are a fitness trainer and you put an ice pack on an athlete's sprained ankle, you're practicing medicine. Typically in the past, the CPSS was only regulating medical doctors. What they did with Bill fifty five is they allowed the CPSS to become control over every single citizen of the province of Saskatchewan. What they're doing is they're creating an entire separate medical police force in Saskatchewan that has the right to get ex parte, search orders, compel evidence, they can find and prosecute you for these activities. So I'll give you an example, so the Saskatchewan Rough Riders for example, technically speaking, when Bill fifty five passes I just need to stop you being somebody that grew up in Saskatchewan. Just so everyone knows, the Saskatchewan Roughriders are the greatest football team ever. Doctor. Goodnow, who are the Great Cup champions? Oh, the Saskatchewan Roughriders are the current reigning champions. I couldn't resist all of those. The point is, it's very scary. Now what happens then is it's not just the trainer is subject to a twenty five thousand dollars fine for practicing medicine. Now all the board of directors of the Saskatchewan Roughriders is individually subject to a fine of up to twenty five thousand dollars each for each occurrence and that the organisation, the Saskatchewan Roughriders is subject to a fifty thousand dollars fine for the first occurrence and up to one hundred thousand dollars fine for each subsequent occurrence. And so this is just reality written by the law. What they're doing is they're creating a Soviet style show me the man, I'll show you the crime situation. It's like putting the speed limit at twenty miles an hour on the freeway because no one can drive that slow. So they can choose who they want to prosecute. So now we're getting into the selective prosecution situation, we're saying, hey we're going to charge yellow cars for speeding but this brown sedan, we're going to let that go by. Is where the problem Can I just slow you down? Just so everyone knows. What Doctor. Goodnow is talking about, they had this act before where they really just had authority to regulate doctors. But now they're being given the authority to go after non doctors, non members. They're creating a new offense. They're giving the ability to get search warrants into the homes of anyone, not just doctors, which is brand new. But I want us to focus on something that I find downright scary, and I know you do too, is basically a private prosecution service. And so just before I let you talk about it, I'll just give people an understanding of what's happening is so. It used to be long ago that we had private prosecutions. And you you can still go and lay a criminal offense, but the Crown Prosecution Service will step in and take it over. So we've created this kind of Crown bureaucracy that basically prosecutes all offenses within their jurisdiction. So, you know, with the provincial prosecution service, they will do criminal code offenses, they will do provincial regulatory offenses. But they will be the ones that go to court. And they're separate from the police. They're separate from the investigative arm because you have a conflict of interest if you investigate. And now you're also prosecuting. What about conflict of interest? Biggest conflict here is that doctors that seek the College of Physicians and Surgeons, which is a doctor organization, they're being given power to prosecute and regulate non doctors. They're actually in the business now. They have the ability to actually go after their own competition in the province. Yes, and that's an important point. It's the competition, right? You're the competition because in your restorative health model, if people get well, they're not going to the doctors. So the doctors have this monopoly or, you know, near monopolies could because in some provinces, there are narrow exceptions. And this body that has the monopoly now is being given the right to prosecute its competition. Can so could you imagine if you were given the ability, whatever business you're in, to actually criminally prosecute your competition? What could go wrong? It's so unnecessary because if there is illegal activity going on, you can make a complaint. If someone is out there saying, I'm a medical doctor and I can do surgeries, come to my clinic, and you don't have a licence, absolutely that person should be prosecuted. It shouldn't be a very hard process to do that. That's criminal act, for sure. All the mechanisms available to actually prosecute bad behaviour currently exists. We don't need to create a separate police force. This is the challenge where the problem with governments, whether it's the SAS party or the NDP party, neither one of them want to give up power. They want more and more power, they just want to argue over who has that power. And so they both are very happy to have complete control over the population, they just want to argue over who has that control. I'm kind of a threat to both the NDP and the SAS party. The second problem is, it's all about money in the end, is where does the financing go? The NDP want more funding for more public healthcare. They want to actually expand the funding so that all aspects of health in the province are going to be run under NDP party perspective. If the SAAS party wants to bring in private healthcare centres and private hospitals and so on and so forth, that money has to get allocated now to private healthcare. So someone's got to build those facilities and so there's still going to be the money spent. The problem is that I'm not asking for any money. In fact, our job is to find a way to reduce healthcare costs. If we can create a community model that reduces the rates of autism and reduces the rates of Alzheimer's disease, we can mathematically calculate the financial benefit to society for that. These programs should be free. These kind of community programs should be implemented the same way we do a colon cancer screening program or a breast cancer screening program. Here is a community based program that doesn't need to be run by doctors, it's run by communities. That's where we are moving forward, which is why I'm so passionate about the Moosha Vitality Project and my investment there and our commitment to seeing this work, because we need a solution to healthcare. Right now we don't have a solution to healthcare. The only solution we have to the healthcare crisis in Canada right now is euthanasia. The only way we can reduce healthcare cost is to start killing people. Before we go there, I just want people to understand, so you basically set up this clinic that you're funding yourself, that people can attend free of charge and they're getting all these diagnostic services so that they know what's going on in their bodies. We don't use diagnostic services though. We use measurements. We get assessments. Don't diagnose them. Isn't it funny we even have to be careful with the language and careful in what you do. So diagnosis is always But that's actually important, this is actually not trivial, it's not facetious either. I do not have the right to diagnose a disease. You don't have it. A diagnostic is a medical procedure. That should be performed by a doctor. I have the right to collect information on myself. I have the right to collect my cholesterol levels, my triglyceride levels and my imaging information. I absolutely have that. That's my information, that's my right. Now the conversion of that information into a medical diagnostic that should be done by a doctor under professional. Now you can self diagnose yourself if you want to, you can go on AI but that is still not recommended for anyone to do. So there's a difference between the collection and point I was trying to make though is you're you're basically providing measurements. So I'm sorry that I said diagnostic. Didn't want us to go. That is important because we have to be careful. I don't want get you into trouble here. So but you're you're providing people with measurements and information, and that's threatening the system because it's enabling people to make choices outside of the system that isn't costing. It's not part of this control machine. Is that really the problem that's about control? It's about control, absolute control, and the ability to have people without choice. If you remove people's choices, then the only choice they have is the ones you give them. For example, in the COVID era, you could have this false choice of not getting vaccinated, if you didn't get vaccinated, you basically get locked up in your house for three years and you couldn't leave the place. He said, well technically speaking, you are not legally obligated to be vaccinated, but the consequence of taking that right is so hard that most people can't do it. You eliminate people's choices so that the sense that they do have a choice becomes a false choice because they've left only one option left for you. And what you're saying is they wanna eliminate all choices. So the only choice is the allopathic choice. And the only delivery of that allopathic choice is through their mechanisms. And so that's the issue. By creating choice, it will by definition dilute the power of the current monopoly. Now, I'm going to tell everyone we're going to do a separate interview with Doctor. Good now because he's just got too much to cover and we've got time limits on the NHPPA show, but we're so pleased to introduce him. So Doctor. Goodno, you had started talking about MAID and I want I'm sorry for cutting you off. Just wanted to clarify that other point. So I want to go back to MAID and then I think we're going to have to end this portion. But I wanted everyone to know we're just we're getting fantastic feedback. Everyone wants to hear more. So I'm just letting everyone know we're gonna do a a much longer interview, because there's actually a whole bunch of topics we haven't even touched on. So, but do you wanna talk about MAID and for sure, really the the economics of MAID because people are shocked. They're starting to get shocked with the numbers like that's surprising people. A lot of people are concerned about how we do MAID. And what I mean by that is I just made the assumption myself when, you know, the Supreme Court of Canada has finally allowed us to I shouldn't say finally, they've allowed us basically to euthanize people. I just assumed we were giving them morphine overdoses, much like what's happening in care homes already at the very end of life, right? Because A) it's inexpensive and B, you know it's painless, like the person just loses consciousness and the respiration slows too much. I was shocked to learn that we give them a drug that paralyzes them, but nobody can answer the question for me, are they still aware? And then we give them another drug where they drown, like basically their lungs fill up. It just seems to me like a really wrong way to be euthanizing people. So, people have that concern but people have not really thought of the economics and you've thought about that. Can you share your thoughts on MAID? Sure. I have really a pet peeve and a passion about how we discriminate against our elderly and their lack of purpose in the elderly, which is why I created the Senior Engage program in Jaw. So we actually physically go to people's homes, we get to another homes and we're moving back. We have five facilities in Moose Jaw, not just the thirteen fifty restorative health centre, we have a research centre, twenty five thousand square foot community hospital center. We have another twenty thousand square foot roughly manufacturing facility and facilities in the mall. So we have a very large footprint that we're building in Moose Jaw. And the issue is now what we're doing is we're normalizing death and we're actually, we're glorifying it. People are having death parties and we're convincing people that they're not worth living for. And the question is now, it takes about two thousand dollars approximately to kill someone via MAID and you can get MAID almost faster than you can get or maybe even faster than you can get an ultrasound in Canada. And so the cost of the last year of life in an individual is exorbitant and certain diseases like the average drug cost for an ALS patient is well over two hundred thousand dollars a year per person. And if you have a rare variant of ALS, it could be almost five hundred thousand dollars per year and that's not even including secondary costs. And so the government right now with the increased healthcare costs, if you look at the budgets, we're spending more and more money on healthcare every year. It's not like you say, the government isn't spending money on healthcare. The government is absolutely spending money on healthcare. The problem is they're spending more money on healthcare and we're getting less and less services from the money we're spending. And whereas the problem is probably mostly because of the advanced drug development programs. So the government is just basically an order taker. They can only order what's on the menu. The question is how does something get on the menu for the government to pay for it? The current drug development protocols are established. I can run a clinical trial, I can get FDA or Health Canada approval and once it gets approved, then it becomes reimbursable from the government. If the government doesn't reimburse it, then it's hard for them politically to not do that. Take the Alzheimer's drug for example. This is a good example. There's a new drug that came out for Alzheimer's that removes amyloid plaques. However, you've got to take four to five MRIs to make sure that your brain isn't bleeding. And so it costs twenty to thirty thousand dollars a year at least plus all this technology, there's no way we could actually deliver this Alzheimer's drug into the community. The cost is in the billions and billions and billions of dollars. And so it's much cheaper to say, well, why don't we start opting into MAID as a mechanism? We normalize it, we call it compassion. We're saying you're cruel if you don't allow someone to kill themselves with MAID, but it becomes a slippery slope because now once it becomes normalized and becomes an acceptable procedure that's recommended upon admission to a hospital, then just like you mentioned before, you're going to have the wink wink nod nod. People are going say, It's okay, it's already legal, it's no big deal. I don't really need to fill out all the paperwork. Here's a person who's suffering, we're going to have a lot of costs associated with this individual. Let's just kind of help that person along. That's just the reality. The healthcare economics in Canada, if they expand it to the medical and mental health, we're talking one point two trillion dollars in healthcare savings by two thousand and forty. The economic benefit of MAID for healthcare economics is just undeniable. With that level of healthcare economic benefit, it's going to become optimised. Whether you like it or not, it becomes an economic solution to our economic healthcare crisis. We're the anti made in the sense that say, why don't we just restore people's health? If we can get them healthy, we can reduce these healthcare costs. We can increase the population of elderly people that are still in the workforce for example. My biggest beef is to tell people you should never retire. When you're eighty years old you should be looking for your next degree, you should be saying what am I going to do with my life? Engaging people in the community, getting intergenerational I just slow you down just because we've got to end this portion in a second? No, but I'm just, You're in restorative medicine. You're involved in in. You've helped create protocols and products that medical doctors are using around the world. You and you understand that actually we can restore people's health. It strikes me that this isn't a secret. Like, I mean, you're helping people. A lot of other people, are using nutrition and supplements to make just fantastic difference. Surely, the government has to know that they could save a ton of money by adopting restorative health models like you've helped create. This is my last question. Why do you think that they're not? I think they will eventually, but they need to be shown it. This is where we can't really complain a lot because we have no public health. We have no physical mechanisms where an actual public health agency creates a program that gets implemented. It's all private developed and then even the colon cancer screening and breast cancer screening, those things were all done by the instrument manufacturers and by other programs. So that's the problem we have. We don't actually have a means of implementing public health. So this is why this is a privately funded public health initiative. So we are doing public health is what we're doing. We need to show we have to do the work and actually show the results. There's no free lunch on this thing, so someone actually has to step up and do this work. I'll give you an example, our autism, have over two hundred families, we have a neuro support program in autism. Over two hundred families. It's run by two mothers who have children with rare diseases called rhizomilic chondrosplasia punctata. We have two hundred families, ninety five percent of the families report improvements in their children, dramatic improvements. My nephew for example, he's working now because of the programs that we have. We have children that their aggressions disappear, they're going back to school, I have adults that are going to work, they're leaving home. This is the type of work that we're doing when we restore the myelination of the brain in autism. What we're doing is not fancy medicine at all. What we're doing is actually just recognizing that the human body is actually designed to work. And can we actually restore to its actual working specifications? If it does that, it performs, it heals, the brains grow. I have a woman with multiple sclerosis who's blind for thirty two I'm going have to stop you. You and I are just going to have to have a much longer interview raising a whole bunch of wonderful issues and it's just been an absolute pleasure to have you on the show note. If anyone is from Saskatchewan watching this live or either video later, they should be contacting the Minister of Health and complaining about Bill C55 creating political pressure and taking action because we don't want to see Doctor. Goodno and other healthcare practitioners being basically the competition to the doctors being taken out by this act. And there's a big informational website called Doctor. Goodnowfights4health. Ca All this is detailed, all sourced information. If you want to find all the step by step details, they're all available there. Can I just ask one question? I've been dying to ask. What is the profile of the people that come to see you? Have they exhausted the medical system? Like at what stage are they at? And what do you see in terms of how they receive hope after they have conversations with you? It comes from all spectrum. First of all, most of the doctors that go into this functional medicine, advanced medical space, they actually typically had their own health scares themselves. They tried to treat themselves through traditional medicine and said this is not working, and so then they go into the restorative health program. Our doctors in our network, most of them will have their own personal experiences with concussions or multiple sclerosis and so on and so forth. The spectrum of individuals is broad. It comes from people like myself in your late 50s who want advanced health and I want to restore my brain and do advanced longevity. The people that have multiple sclerosis and Parkinson's that have started certain programs, they've done some research of their own, they realize that these drugs are only going to delay the progression of the diseases, they're not going to really fight outcomes so they start looking into the stuff. We have quite a large, I do a lot of lectures, a lot of conferences, we have a fairly large following so we have a pretty good network of people who get word-of-mouth. So that's kind of where it is. But it does take that special individual who's willing to buck the system. And it's not just a system, it's their own family members, right? We're a social animal, we're community wise. And so in every family, someone's gonna say, I really wanna try something new. And you're gonna have two or three people say, Well, you're crazy, you should just go to your doctor and do what your doctor says. And so you're gonna be fairly intimate, they're definitely independent minded individuals who are really looking and willing to make those independent decisions for themselves. And that's kind of across the spectrum. And once they start seeing the empowerment that they have, that's the most exciting part because they're not coming to someone to get fixed, they're fixing themselves and the empowerment that they get out of that process. And the community, it's about loving someone. Someone has to care, they have to have a purpose. No amount of nutrition, no amount of drugs is gonna save someone unless they want to live. So the very first thing that has to happen is that person has to want to live and want to have a meaningful life. And then from that process of purposefulness, then each step along the way gets better. They realize that this is not a fix. We're not trying to solve a bacterial infection in your stomach where you take a pill and it's gone. You have to restore the line. I'm gonna have to cut you short. You. I can carry on talking. Can talk to me. I don't want to but wow, this has just been fantastic. Our audience has been loving this discussion and, we will we will get together and and interview you on the talk forum, will be a much more a longer and engaging interview. So I guess we've kind of, we're teasing you now with this short interview and everyone can look forward to a much more detailed interview. I can tell you there's topics we haven't even touched yet. And Doctor. Goodnow just has he's been involved in so many different things. It's going be a fascinating interview. Doctor Goodnow, thank you so much for coming. Thank you for the opportunity and thank you to for everyone online. Thank you. Yeah. And and there are some people from Saskatchewan on this call and you know, we're gonna have a lot more people watch this after. This is where live streaming tonight. So we do have we'll just reiterate. So what's the website where people can get information on how to take action? DrGoodnowFights4Health. Ca. That's a Doctor Goodnow fights with an S for health. Ca. Maybe Jason, we can throw that up in a banner later and just so people can access it. We'll try and get some people to your site. There it is. It's up on the bottom. Go to that site and take action because you have a voice, but you only have a voice if you use it. Doctor. Goodnow, thank you for joining us. Thank you, Sean. Thank you. Thank you.